Are you really expecting to have any starks left by the end of the last book? ;-P
It's all about the Greyjoys and Martells now!
I kind of feel the opposite after ADWD, It's been so long, I've stopped caring. I man whenever I reads Swords, I felt that way about Feast For Crows but now less so.
At this point I'm the most concerned about Arya and Sansa, I've kind of deluded myself into hoping that Jon Snow will be okay for the foreseeable future. In my mind I don't have much attachment to Rickon and I've accepted that Bran may become a tree. But really--I do not care much about the Greyjoys, the Martells, the Tyrells, the Tullys, etc. They're interesting and I like what they add to the books but I don't see them mattering much in the end.
It must be a lot harder for fans who have been with these books for longer periods of time. Sometimes I try to compare this to what it was like waiting for HP books but it's not really the same, since I never had doubt that JKR would finish her series.
In the end of ends probably the only people to matter will be Dany, maybe Jon (hopefully), and maybe the other Starks. (Bran, Sansa, Arya.) But who knows really?
I know what you mean. I've been doubtful GRRM will actually finish the series for a while now.
Haha--I like how you end that. That's one of the comforts for me, that even if the series is never finished or my favorite people die I can (or others can) change it all in fic.
I love Tyrion too, but I have a feeling he's going to die by the end of the series or most of his family will be dead. I just can't envision a happy ending for him.
How could I forget Tyrion? He's awesome up until Dance. At which point his chapters suddenly became a chore. Similar to Jon actually.
I really hope he gets a happy ending but I can see how its not at all likely. Jaime's never going to survive the coming of Dany if nothing else.
i wonder if any fanfic writer has actually tried to do their own sequels with similar scope as the original novels. All the ones I can think of are much morel limited pairing specific ones. But thats what i get for hanging out at kinkmeme.
I loved Tyrion until ADWD. Then he became hard to read, especially the parts where he interacts with women. His relationship with Cersei, the horrible treatment of Tysha, and the guilt for the death of his mother have turned him into a mental can of worms. He may live, but that's only if he gets on Dany's good side, and if he does live he won't have any family. That would be a sad thing to face.
I liked Jon's ADWD chapters because he's doing interesting things, but it's plain that he has no joy in his life. At all. I'm not surprised that he makes more and more reckless decisions--what does he have to live for? As far as he knows, practically his entire family is dead except Sansa, who no one has heard from, his one and only girlfriend is dead, the mentor he looked up to was killed by his own men, and now he has an insanely stressful job he doesn't have the tools to do correctly. I'm surprised he made it through the whole book.
There are some fic authors who have tried to complete the series, and others who have done re-writes like "what if Ned Stark lived."
This is a good completion-style fic: The North Remmebers. I haven't read all of it, but I think I finished what was written at the time and the author has updated a bit since then.
Here is a great fic on how things would have gone differently if Ned and Catelyn had lived. It's still being updated as well. Love and Honor. It focuses on the Starks and doesn't expand past the North much.
If ASoIaF ends up actually going for a happy ending its characters have thorough worked hard for. Then one thing I'm hoping for is Tyrion and Sansa to reunite. There's hints from both their PoVs that its at least conceivable.
But yeah, the thing with ADWD is just how unpleasant Tyrion's PoV has become with his self-loathing and whores obsession taken up to 11. It makes sense but its urgh.
As for Jon well I may have been affected by reading spoilers but a lot of his chapters seemed very similar. He tries to do the right thing for the watch and the realm even in the face of his position. Bowen argues. Jon gets his way. Knowing whats coming you can see him accidently driving everyone away from him. And also knowing from the other chapters his hopes about Arya are utterly face is another twist of the knife in his chapters.
I've tried re-reading ADWD but its darn hard going. Thanks for the fanfic recs. I shall try to check them out some time.
I definitely think Tyrion and Sansa will see each other again, but in no way do I want them to be a couple. There is just too much bad blood between their families, and I want Sansa to either have a happy marriage, or none at all. Tyrion's "whore obsession" as you wisely put it is what drove me crazy.
Part of Jon's problem is that he tries to do the right thing in general, instead of trying to do the right thing for the watch. For example: his quasi-friendship with Stannis, the way he handled Alys Karstark, his perspective on the wildlings. The thing with Arya is like the ultimate temptation for him: she was the one person at Winterfell he felt the closest to.
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Date: 2014-03-11 09:49 pm (UTC)"6-page descriptions of every last meal"
Baahhhahahahahahaha
Seriously though. I'm going to need at least the next 3 years to get through what's been written so far.
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Date: 2014-03-11 09:57 pm (UTC)Or I really like food descriptions as well?
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Date: 2014-03-12 01:37 am (UTC)If ADWD had ended differently (with fewer cliffhangers) then maybe I wouldn't feel so strongly about this.
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Date: 2014-03-12 09:38 am (UTC)It's all about the Greyjoys and Martells now!
I kind of feel the opposite after ADWD, It's been so long, I've stopped caring. I man whenever I reads Swords, I felt that way about Feast For Crows but now less so.
Ending of Swords was just perfect, lol.
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Date: 2014-03-12 02:47 pm (UTC)It must be a lot harder for fans who have been with these books for longer periods of time. Sometimes I try to compare this to what it was like waiting for HP books but it's not really the same, since I never had doubt that JKR would finish her series.
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Date: 2014-03-12 05:26 pm (UTC)I know what you mean. I've been doubtful GRRM will actually finish the series for a while now.
Oh well. There's always fanfic. ;)
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Date: 2014-03-12 08:50 pm (UTC)I love Tyrion too, but I have a feeling he's going to die by the end of the series or most of his family will be dead. I just can't envision a happy ending for him.
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Date: 2014-03-12 09:20 pm (UTC)I really hope he gets a happy ending but I can see how its not at all likely. Jaime's never going to survive the coming of Dany if nothing else.
i wonder if any fanfic writer has actually tried to do their own sequels with similar scope as the original novels. All the ones I can think of are much morel limited pairing specific ones. But thats what i get for hanging out at kinkmeme.
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Date: 2014-03-12 11:43 pm (UTC)I liked Jon's ADWD chapters because he's doing interesting things, but it's plain that he has no joy in his life. At all. I'm not surprised that he makes more and more reckless decisions--what does he have to live for? As far as he knows, practically his entire family is dead except Sansa, who no one has heard from, his one and only girlfriend is dead, the mentor he looked up to was killed by his own men, and now he has an insanely stressful job he doesn't have the tools to do correctly. I'm surprised he made it through the whole book.
There are some fic authors who have tried to complete the series, and others who have done re-writes like "what if Ned Stark lived."
This is a good completion-style fic: The North Remmebers. I haven't read all of it, but I think I finished what was written at the time and the author has updated a bit since then.
Here is a great fic on how things would have gone differently if Ned and Catelyn had lived. It's still being updated as well. Love and Honor. It focuses on the Starks and doesn't expand past the North much.
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Date: 2014-03-13 12:05 am (UTC)But yeah, the thing with ADWD is just how unpleasant Tyrion's PoV has become with his self-loathing and whores obsession taken up to 11. It makes sense but its urgh.
As for Jon well I may have been affected by reading spoilers but a lot of his chapters seemed very similar. He tries to do the right thing for the watch and the realm even in the face of his position. Bowen argues. Jon gets his way. Knowing whats coming you can see him accidently driving everyone away from him. And also knowing from the other chapters his hopes about Arya are utterly face is another twist of the knife in his chapters.
I've tried re-reading ADWD but its darn hard going. Thanks for the fanfic recs. I shall try to check them out some time.
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Date: 2014-03-13 01:16 am (UTC)Part of Jon's problem is that he tries to do the right thing in general, instead of trying to do the right thing for the watch. For example: his quasi-friendship with Stannis, the way he handled Alys Karstark, his perspective on the wildlings. The thing with Arya is like the ultimate temptation for him: she was the one person at Winterfell he felt the closest to.